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ilonakarow

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I obtained a permit to do Green R. Gates of Lodore section on May 24/06.  The river office says we can expect flows of 4700 to 7200 they are released full capacity from the dam to flood back waters for fish habitat.  They said at this level named rapids will be class IV and hell's half mile will be class V.  None of my trip members have done the Green at high water like this.  We will have a 12ft and 14 ft soar on trip with raft support.  Has anyone done high water on the Green?  Can you give me some insight?  Does any one know what the water levels were on the Lodore Canyon trip with Leon Werdinger photos posted on the customer photo gallery on this site?

 

A little nervous and very excited to be soaring...

ilona


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Ilona,
Late May to early June is always high water season on Lodore. I have run this twice in SOARs; the last time about June 11, '03. Because the Yampa was running very high, the releases on the Green from Flaming Gorge were less than 1000 cfs. The Yampa was at 15000 cfs and dropping to about 7000-8000 when we launched. Hells 1/2 Mile at low releases is a bit technical because of the current pushing into a big rock called Lucifer at the bottom of the rapid, but its fun to run.

All of the rapids through Split Mtn are runnable and if you're paddling tandem you can have a blast pounding through holes in Moonshine. If you solo, I'd prefer to avoid them.

My first run on Lodore in Aug '99, the Green was much bigger than in June '03 because the Yampa was only putting out a paltry amt of water. All rapids were easy, and we only scouted HHM. Lucifer was completely buried under water creating a huge reversal that I'd recommend avoiding if possible.

I ran it totally differently. From where we scouted on river left, I ferried acoss to river right, and ran a lower volume technical stretch that went through a neat slotted pourover and put me in the middle of the river just downstream of the nasty hole.

At high water, this is no place to swim because the rapid continues for another qtr mile.

About your trip: I think the Green is runnable through this section, but it certainly requires having decent paddling skills, and river reading abilities. The water will move very fast through each of the 3 canyons and through Split Mtn. When you have a chance, lean back and enjoy the view....it's a wonderful trip!

Folks have run the Rogue at 20,000 cfs, the Grand Canyon. Last yr, during a flood on the Salt, I ran about 6 miles through a crazy canyon (see my post in the photo gallery). So, running the Green at that level is possible, if you're willing to put your skills to the test.

I also think that if someone believes the river level is above their skill level, then it's perfectly ok to stay at home or find another river to run.

Let us know what you decide to do, and how it goes.
Happy SOARing and paddle safely,
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ilonakarow

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thank you for the info; it helps a lot .  I plan to portage or ride a raft if I don't feel comfortable running any of the rapids.  The river office told us there is a huge log on river left in HHM after the 2nd drop and we need to run it on the right.  I am the permit holder but we have a strong group.  Still I am gathering all the info I can.   I will send you a post trip report and tell you how we fare.

 

ilona


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Hi Ilona,
I was lucky enough to be invited on the trip in 2003 with Leon and Rattlehead. It was wonderful, but way too short. Lots to explore off of the water. You'll enjoy the canyons. Here's a pic taken at put-in to help get you in the mood:



Be safe and have fun!


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We enjoyed extending our trip thru Lodore by starting right below the dam of Flaming Gorge. We did it in addtional two nights at ~1000 CFS.

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What a great trip and my S14 was a blast!  We launched with flows at 6700 which was expected to be the highest release level this year.  Dropped into a big hole in Disaster Falls which surfed us, spun us 180 degrees and sucked the bow person in up to her hips before spitting us out.  Hell's Half Mile was easy to run at these high flows.  We ran the right side of  the middle tongue clean as a whistle (click photo attached)  and the huge waves in Moonshine were a kick in pants but we never felt unstable.  We were the only soar on the trip but our other group members kept commenting that we looked like we were having too much fun (and we were).  My bow person was a novice paddler but the soar handled beautifully of course.  Thanks for help!      

 



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Hi Ilona,

Thanks for sharing your adventures!!  Nice pic, too.
Lodore is one of my favorite trips, and I hope many people
get to have the same kind of fun that you've had!
Happy and safe paddling this summer.
Rattler




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